First Time In History, Catholic Is Not At The Top; Muslim Is
April 9, 2008 by dinysays
As I was reading the newspaper during my lunch break few days ago, the World News section mentioned: World has greater number of Muslims than Catholics: ”For the first time in history, we’re no longer at the top. The Muslims have surpassed us,” said Msgr. Formenti.
“Hm.” I thought.
And that’s it, no more no less. Although I was born and raised as a Moslem, I didn’t go ‘hooray’ after reading that news. Actually I thought, “Yeah, so what?”
Couple of days later, my iGoogle showed a news feed about the same subject. It was from Catholic.org and it appeared that Msgr. Vittorio Formenti, who heads the Vatican’s statistics office, thinks that the shift was because Muslims’ family have more children and are outpacing the average growth rate. He heh. I can’t help but sensing a little sarcasm there.
I personally do not have any vendetta on Catholic versus Muslim thing. My concern is, does the world know anything about Muslims? U.S. News & World Report March 24-31, 2008 edition has an article about ‘Inside the Minds of Muslims’. Dalia Mogahed, the executive director of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies, did a survey and wrote a book, Who Speaks for Islam? What a Billion Muslims Really Think along with Georgetown University Prof. John Esposito. The book is based on a Gallup Poll, the largest of its kind, which surveyed some 50,000 Muslims in more than 35 countries.
Based on the interview, it seems that we [Americans] are no closer to understanding Muslims. Because Gallup did a survey in 2002, asking what Americans knew about the beliefs and opinions of Muslims around the world. Fifty-four percent said they knew nothing or not much. Same questions were asked in 2007, after two wars and more media coverage on Muslims, and this time 57 percent said they knew nothing or not much. When asked what they admired about the Muslim world, the most frequent response was “nothing”.
I’m curious about what do they think about us [Americans]. Mogahed answered that Muslims admire the West’s technology the most, followed by freedom of speech, the rule of law, and the transparency of government. They resented our democracy, perceived moral laxity and libertinism. Only a very small percentage of people in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia, said they admired nothing about the West.
The way I look at it, while answering ‘we admire nothing about the Muslim world’ is one’s choice and right, it does show ignorance. Do we not like it because: a) we know something but against it, or b) we don’t know shit anything at all…





That was a poorly handled story from the get-go, and the press had a field day with it. The fact of the matter is, the Islamic world (added altogether, Sunnis, Shia, and the additional smaller subgroups) have been larger than just the Catholic Church itself for years.
It was not only hardly news, it wasn’t really even a press-conference type situation… It was more running with the off-the-cuff comments of the Vatican functionary who keeps an eye on the numbers… Again, not like Pope Benedict had a press conference where he got up and announced “Ze Muslims are hafing more babies! Qvick married people, haf more zex!”
When comparing the growth rates, fertility rates are important - where Catholics were strong in Europe, they are in demographic decline, having less than replacement fertility rates. Among the top-20 population growth nations I think 17 were Muslim-majority nations… The question than becomes what is the correlation to the religion, fertility rates, and perceptions of children.
Once again, the mainstream media made a circus of a story involving religion… and largely got it wrong.
ah… masa!
that is why i’m grateful for being non-muslim in a muslim majority country
@asimplesinner: mwuahuahua, you’re so funny.
@gokimhock: ah… iya! http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=27384
@melly: that’s what i meant. you would think americans, being the citizens of a democratic country and a ‘melting pot’, know anything about other religions outside of christian/catholic.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say most Americans know all that much about the Catholic Church. When kids I work with say “I was raised real Catholic” I always just look at them and say “What were the seven sacraments?”
I always get blank stairs.
Sympathetic post and hilarious content. My spirits go up every time I read these results:
Liverpool - Arsenal: 4 - 2;
Holy Koran - Holy Bible : 5 -4
Schaerwijde - Kampong: 1 - 3.
Real Madrid - Barcelona: 0 - 2
Jerusalem - Mecca : 8 - 8
Yet, in a serious mood, I have to agree with the comments of asimplesinner. Probably because I’m a devoted sinner myself. Although I should add I bet the average agnostic ( usually living amidst an ocean of believers) probably knows a lot more about the three monotheistic religions than the average believer of each of these three knows about agnostics ( or about Buddhism or Hinduism or …).
Maybe one of the Gallups of the world should start a survey to establish ‘the rate of ignorance’ survey.
Haha… I don’t really care about it, either…
So What!?
Even I am Catholic.
To be tolerant is more important than think about it.
Hence, I love to live in Indonesia, now.
@colson: That is very true. Agnostics/atheists [the ones that I know, at least] know those three monotheistic religions better than a religious person. That’s probably why they chose to be agnostic/atheist :p
About the Gallup poll, I would hope they can do that survey. If they could do poll on ‘Wifes Still Do Laundry, Men Do Yard Work’, they certainly could tackle ‘How Ignorant Are We’ subject, huh?
It wasn’t a big thing for us actually, about the number. The important thing is, how can we stick together to achieve the peace in the hole world, no matter what religion we are.
I am not sure if the post title is accurate… “For the first time in history Catholic is not at the top”… We started out rather small 2000 years ago.